Torture is Wrong

...and not only is it wrong, but it is ineffective. Don't let Dick Cheney tell you that we need to torture, because it's such a useful way of extracting information. Cheney just makes this stuff up. It comes out of that thing he calls a brain. But it's just a story in his magical fairy tale kingdom.

CIA directors and deputy directors have concluded in reports to the Congress that

These people should know. Dick Cheney just runs his mouth.

In the just released report on the U.S. use of torture

The first prisoner at CIA's "Cobalt" prison in 2002 was kept in "isolation in total darkness; lowering the quality of his food; keeping him at an uncomfortable temperature (cold); [playing music] 24 hours a day; and keeping him shackled and hooded."
  • "In addition, al-Najjar was described as having been left hanging -- which involved handcuffing one or both wrists to an overhead bar which would not allow him to lower his arms -- for 22 hours each day for two consecutive days, in order to 'break' his resistance."
  • "It was also noted al-Najjar was wearing a diaper and had no access to toilet facilities."
  • "...the detention and interrogation of Ridha al-Najjar 'became the model' for handling other CIA detainees at DETENTION SITE COBALT." (site of about half those held by the CIA in their torture program).
  • Ridha al-Najjar was released "yesterday, 12/9/14" -- 12 yaars later.
  • "Abu Zubaydah spent the remainder of June 2002 and all of July 2002, 47 days in total, in solitary detention without being asked any questions." Ticking time bomb requires the use of waterboarding? It had a very long delayed fuse.
  • Subsequent to that pause, Abu Zubaydah was subjected to "non-stop use of the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques 24 hours a day for 17 days" (including water-boarding over 80 times).
  • Abu Zubaydah is still in U.S. custody in Guantanamo.

    (Rachel Maddow show, 12/10/14)

    How Much Proof Is Enough?

    "The purpose of the report was ... to correct two misimpression being put out, that


    This from Cheney's comments on Meet the Press:

    CHUCK TODD: Let me go to Gul Rahman. He was chained to the wall of his cell, doused with water, froze to death in C.I.A. custody. And it turned out it was a case of mistaken identity.

    DICK CHENEY: --right. But the problem I had is with the folks that we did release that end up back on the battlefield. [...] I'm more concerned with bad guys who got out and released than I am with a few that, in fact, were innocent.

    CHUCK TODD: 25% of the detainees though, 25% turned out to be innocent. They were released.

    DICK CHENEY: Where are you going to draw the line, Chuck? How are-- [...]

    CHUCK TODD: Is that too high? You're okay with that margin for error?

    DICK CHENEY: I have no problem as long as we achieve our objective.

    The blogger in this article goes on to say (and I agree): 'It's difficult to understand how anyone could paint Dick Cheney as anything but a war criminal. Smugly advocating for torture of potential innocents; undertaking a torture program in major part to find "evidence" of an al Qaeda-Iraq link that did not exist -- there are no possible legitimizing factors here.'


    But here's the really bad news....

    Just so Americans don't get too riled up when our sons and daughters are tortured by others, let's remember what Americans think about the use of torture when we're the ones who want to use it:

    Those same Americans who approve of torture may want to remove America's name from the international Convention Against Torture, so that everyone in the world is on a level playing field. Fair is fair!

    Ironically, among white folk, "[t]he non-religious are effectively alone in their opposition to torture." (source)

    If you want to know how ordinary citizens under the Nazi's rule could commit so many atrocities, just look at that graph.


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